Discussion:
Future of McKoi?
Alex Molochnikov
2008-01-27 03:25:42 UTC
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Is McKoi database still actively developed and supported? The last release was made 3.5 years ago...
Alexander Finger
2008-01-27 03:29:53 UTC
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do not bother with mckoi. Check out Derby instead.
Post by Alex Molochnikov
Is McKoi database still actively developed and supported? The last release
was made 3.5 years ago...
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Alex Molochnikov
2008-01-27 03:34:38 UTC
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Alexander,

Thank you for the quick response. However, the reason I asked the question
is different from what your answer implied. I am not searching for an RDBMS.
Our product (SCRIBE report generator) currently supports McKoi, among other
databases. So, I just wanted to gauge whether there is any point to continue
keeping McKoi on the list.

Alex


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Finger" <***@gmail.com>
To: <***@mckoi.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Future of McKoi?
Post by Alexander Finger
do not bother with mckoi. Check out Derby instead.
Post by Alex Molochnikov
Is McKoi database still actively developed and supported? The last release
was made 3.5 years ago...
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M. A. Sridhar
2008-01-28 20:57:31 UTC
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I am interested in the Mckoi database because I think it has been the best one I've seen among all the pure Java databases I've evaluated. I have tried pointbase, h2, hsqldb and cloudscape/derby, in the context of a fairly large CRM app I have been involved with. Each had its own set of issues. Pointbase wasn't as fast, nor was cloudscape or h2 (at the time I tested them -- a few years ago). hsqldb was actually quite a bit faster, but I seem to recall that it wasn't supporting transactions properly. I even tried sqlite, but there were some issues with blob support in its JDBC driver.

By contrast, I've had Mckoi deployed in production for quite a while now, and never had a hiccup -- no data corruptions, no management headaches, nothing. It just works. So it be a real pity to see this project die.

Regards.

M. A. Sridhar
m_a_sridhar at yahoo dot com


----- Original Message ----
From: Alexander Finger <***@gmail.com>
To: ***@mckoi.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: Future of McKoi?


do not bother with mckoi. Check out Derby instead.
Post by Alex Molochnikov
Is McKoi database still actively developed and supported? The last
release
Post by Alex Molochnikov
was made 3.5 years ago...
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Alexander Finger
2008-01-28 21:01:04 UTC
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The software I worked on that had a McKoi database (implemented prior to my
arrival) had many problems. Its data got corrupted often; I am surprised to
hear you say you've never even had a hiccup.

Alex
Post by M. A. Sridhar
I am interested in the Mckoi database because I think it has been the best
one I've seen among all the pure Java databases I've evaluated. I have tried
pointbase, h2, hsqldb and cloudscape/derby, in the context of a fairly large
CRM app I have been involved with. Each had its own set of issues. Pointbase
wasn't as fast, nor was cloudscape or h2 (at the time I tested them -- a few
years ago). hsqldb was actually quite a bit faster, but I seem to recall
that it wasn't supporting transactions properly. I even tried sqlite, but
there were some issues with blob support in its JDBC driver.
By contrast, I've had Mckoi deployed in production for quite a while now,
and never had a hiccup -- no data corruptions, no management headaches,
nothing. It just works. So it be a real pity to see this project die.
Regards.
M. A. Sridhar
m_a_sridhar at yahoo dot com
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: Future of McKoi?
do not bother with mckoi. Check out Derby instead.
Post by Alex Molochnikov
Is McKoi database still actively developed and supported? The last
release
Post by Alex Molochnikov
was made 3.5 years ago...
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Bayless Kirtley
2008-01-28 22:58:33 UTC
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That is interesting. I originally chose McKoi for my project and used it for the first few months of development. It started getting corrupted very early in the testing phase and did this several times. I couldn't get much help and no recovery schemes seemed to work. I switched to Hsqldb over a year ago as it had all the features of McKoi except for the Java Object data type. Actually, it turned out to be considerably faster too.

The database has been in production for almost 6 months now. A few weeks ago, I updated to Java 1.6 and started getting corrupted index or internal pointers or something. Fortunately, Hsqldb does have pretty good recovery tools so I lost almost no data. I looked at Derby, especially since Sun has adopted it as JavaDB. It is reported to be considerably slower then Hsqldb and it does not support the Boolean data type which is scattered throughout my application. The conversion would be too much.

Bayless

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander Finger
To: ***@mckoi.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Future of McKoi?


The software I worked on that had a McKoi database (implemented prior to my arrival) had many problems. Its data got corrupted often; I am surprised to hear you say you've never even had a hiccup.

Alex


On Jan 28, 2008 3:57 PM, M. A. Sridhar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am interested in the Mckoi database because I think it has been the best one I've seen among all the pure Java databases I've evaluated. I have tried pointbase, h2, hsqldb and cloudscape/derby, in the context of a fairly large CRM app I have been involved with. Each had its own set of issues. Pointbase wasn't as fast, nor was cloudscape or h2 (at the time I tested them -- a few years ago). hsqldb was actually quite a bit faster, but I seem to recall that it wasn't supporting transactions properly. I even tried sqlite, but there were some issues with blob support in its JDBC driver.

By contrast, I've had Mckoi deployed in production for quite a while now, and never had a hiccup -- no data corruptions, no management headaches, nothing. It just works. So it be a real pity to see this project die.

Regards.


M. A. Sridhar
m_a_sridhar at yahoo dot com



----- Original Message ----
From: Alexander Finger <***@gmail.com>
To: ***@mckoi.com

Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: Future of McKoi?

do not bother with mckoi. Check out Derby instead.
Post by Alex Molochnikov
Is McKoi database still actively developed and supported? The last release
was made 3.5 years ago...
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Bayless Kirtley
2008-01-28 23:08:24 UTC
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The current version of Hsqldb supports transactions only in isolation mode READ_UNCOMMITTED. I discovered this when trying to correct the problems brought on by updating to Java 1.6. I was trying to eliminate any other problems that might be caused by poor application programming. When queried, JDBC reported READ_COMMITTED mode as I had set it when that was not actually true. As a result, I changed a lot of the application to AUTO-COMMIT wherever it was practical. According to the developers, the next revision will handle all transaction isolation properly although it sounds like with some additional overhead. BTW, Hsqldb is now handled by Sourceforge. That should be a good thing.

Bayless

----- Original Message -----
From: M. A. Sridhar
To: ***@mckoi.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Future of McKoi?


I am interested in the Mckoi database because I think it has been the best one I've seen among all the pure Java databases I've evaluated. I have tried pointbase, h2, hsqldb and cloudscape/derby, in the context of a fairly large CRM app I have been involved with. Each had its own set of issues. Pointbase wasn't as fast, nor was cloudscape or h2 (at the time I tested them -- a few years ago). hsqldb was actually quite a bit faster, but I seem to recall that it wasn't supporting transactions properly. I even tried sqlite, but there were some issues with blob support in its JDBC driver.

By contrast, I've had Mckoi deployed in production for quite a while now, and never had a hiccup -- no data corruptions, no management headaches, nothing. It just works. So it be a real pity to see this project die.

Regards.


M. A. Sridhar
m_a_sridhar at yahoo dot com



----- Original Message ----
From: Alexander Finger <***@gmail.com>
To: ***@mckoi.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: Future of McKoi?

do not bother with mckoi. Check out Derby instead.
Post by Alex Molochnikov
Is McKoi database still actively developed and supported? The last release
was made 3.5 years ago...
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